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You could do a 5 week cycle of EPI and Hdrol.For example take Hdrol at 75mg per day for 5 weeks and bring Epi in on the last 4 weeks at 30/30/40/40mg per day.Hdrol's sweet spot is 75mg per day and for 5 weeks.This cycle is fairly heavily methylated so i would use 800mg a day of milk thistle or use a multiple oncycle support supplement that contains Milk thistle and NAC.

This cycle will give you exceptional lean mass and fatloss on a recomposition diet and ideal before a holiday.A PCT of estosuppress and Androbolix would be essential or instead of Androbolix use Erase which is excellent as an AI/testbooster/anti-cortisol/and fat reducer in one and maybe some DAA.Because of the very dry nature of this cycle,2-3g a day of fish oil is essential and 5g a day of taurine to control muscle cramps.

I would never recommend this cycle to beginners but since you have done SDM it's feasable.Another excellent recomposition option is EPI/Hydroxyvol.Hydroxyvol or Dplex are DHT androgens that are very effective at hardening up the body and are less methylated.You could do a 4 week cycle of EPI at 30/30/40/40mg per day and Hydroxyvol at 100/100/100/100mg per day.

When using a double PH combo it is always advised to use a serm like estosuppress for PCT along with Androbolix,Erase,or Formadrol.

Thanks Darren Really appreciate your help and advice.

DarrenA wrote:

You could do a 5 week cycle of EPI and Hdrol.For example take Hdrol at 75mg per day for 5 weeks and bring Epi in on the last 4 weeks at 30/30/40/40mg per day.Hdrol's sweet spot is 75mg per day and for 5 weeks.This cycle is fairly heavily methylated so i would use 800mg a day of milk thistle or use a multiple oncycle support supplement that contains Milk thistle and NAC.

Please bear with me as im a little confused as to how i should be taking EPI/Hdrol. You say 5 weeks for Hdrol and 4 weeks for EPI. Should i be taking EPI and Hdrol together or seperately? and how long for the PCT?

Which would give me better results in your opinion EPI/Hdrol or EPI/Hydroxyvol?

I'm off on holiday on June sunday 17th , when is the best time to come off the Pro Hormones and start my PCT?

As i want to be looking my best when i'm on holiday should i be starting my PCT on the 18 June whilst on holiday ? Im not sure if this is the best way to do it?

Many Thanks for your Help

You can take them together but take Hdrol 1 week before the EPI because Hdrol is relatively slow acting so it works out at 5 weeks.After 5 weeks you should do 4 weeks of PCT.EPI/Hydroxyvol or Hdrol/EPI are both excellent recomposition cycles and the gains are far better quality and more retainable than SDM.EPI/Hydroxyvol will be slightly less harsh in terms of raising liver values and less suppressive of the HPTA.

So to recap Hdrol and EPI should be taken like this,Hdrol75/75/75/75/75
                                                                             EPI 0/30/30/40/40

EPI and Hydroxyvol can be taken for 4 weeks like this,EPI    30/30/40/40
                                                                  Hydroxyvol 100/100/100/100

Thanks for clearing that up.

Just one more thing.

How should i do my 5 week PH course and 4 week PCT course?

Week
1 Hdrol 75
2 Hdrol 75 EPI 30
3 Hdrol 75 EPI 30
4 Hdrol 75 EPI 40
5 Hdrol 75 EPI 40

6 Holiday PCT (will be doing minimal training on holiday like push ups Pull ups etc)
7 PCT
8 PCT
9 PCT

Or should it be more like this?

Week
1 Hdrol 75
2 Hdrol 75 EPI 30
3 Hdrol 75 EPI 30
4 Hdrol 75 EPI 40
5 Hdrol 75 EPI 40

6 PCT
7 PCT
8 PCT  Holiday
9 PCT

please let me know what you think

Thanks!

Hmmm,it looks sound to me but.....during the PCT period you need to train with the same intensity to retain your newfound gains.So you need to devise a proper workout routine while on holiday.Doing Pushups and pull-ups are great but to maintain your gains you need to do highly advanced forms of bodyweight ie...weighted or at extreme angles eg...handstand pressups.Those 4 weeks of PCT are critical to retaining and loosing so think very carefully about a PH cycle and how you will maintain those gains into PCT.

The second scenario sounds more plausable to me.You'll have a 2 week window before going on holiday,during that 2 week period before holiday you should train lik an animal and maybe you can ease up a bit when on holiday.Also during those 2 weeks before your holiday your sexdrive should be almost back to normal.

I'm finding it hard to find Hdrol, as ive heard its been banned or something.

Is it true the [Chaparral Labs] Halovol-V is the same as the hdrol ?

Would it be a Good idea to use the same  [Chaparral Labs] Halovol-V and [Chaparral Labs] EPI as you suggested?

Many Thanks

Yeah,Chaparral labs have since stopped making PH's so i would get the EPI and Halovol while you can.To run Halovol for 5 weeks you'll need 2 bottles and 1 bottle of EPI.I've personally used Chaparral labs EPI and gained 10lb so it is legit.

Hi there,

Im looking to start my second PH course. I think that CHAPARRAL LABS Halovol-V/EPI stack is the right choice for me.

Hdrol75/75/75/75/75
   EPI 0/30/30/40/40
Milk Thistle 3 per day

I have a few questions i need answering.

1, As im going on holiday on june 17 and will be drinking alcohol. Which would be the best way to go ahead with the cycle.
Finish the PH cycle 2 weeks before the holiday and have done 2 weeks PCT OR Finish the PH course just before holiday and start the PCT whilst on holiday?

2, Should i use esto supress whilst on PH course?

3, Do i need hawthornberry's?

4, Is 4 weeks enough for my PCT ?

very much appreciate your time in answering my questions

Dean

I would finish the PH cycle 2 weeks before holiday and really train like a beast for those 2 weeks PCT and continue training relatively hard during the last 2 weeks of PCT.If you try to do your 4 week PCT on holiday then i think you'll lose your gains.On holiday you will naturally slack off,especially if you plan on drinking alcohol.At least if you are able to train very hard during PCT 2 weeks before your holiday,you'll be able to retain a fair amount of your gains.

Hawthorn berries throughout the cycle?yes

Estosuppress oncycle?no.Both Epi and Halovol don't aromatise and actually,Epi is anti-estrogenic.

Is 4 weeks PCT enough?yes.It's enough to restart natural testosterone production,particularly with estosuppress.

Darren you are a genius! Thanks for all your help and advice. Will keep you updated!

dino66uk wrote:

Darren you are a genius! Thanks for all your help and advice. Will keep you updated!

I agree, mate! I honestly do not think you could find better advice elsewhere. Looking forward to following your experiences and progress 
Cheers, PV

DarrenA wrote:

Is 4 weeks PCT enough?yes.It's enough to restart natural testosterone production,particularly with estosuppress

Hi Darren its me again, Just a quick question on my 4 week PCT.

I have been doing some research on PCT.

Which products would suit my PCT.
Formadrol/Taurotest
Estosupress/Androbolix

Or vice versa.

Many Thanks

Both are very strong PCT's with Androbolix and Estosuppress being the most popular and proven.Other strong PCT's include Formadrol and Androbolix and Triazole and Activate extreme.

Right, just a quick update.

This is my first week of my PH cycle.

I started taking halovol on sunday 06 may.

Today i did Chest workout and really felt my Chest blow out. So i think this halovol has stated to kick in!

Also is it normal that i feel really horny at the moment?? i feel like a dog on heat  LOL

How is the cycle going Dino?

Hello Darren!

Sorry for the lat e reply.

I have completed 3 weeks and now have 2 weeks left.

Overall i would say so far it is going well.
Strength is up,  Weight: 12.6 stone.

My Diet:

Morning: 1 scoop protein powder 4 egg white/ 1 yolk,  taurine/glutamin/codliver oil. 20mg epi/25mg Halovol /1 MT

Mid morning: Nuts/Fruit

Pre workout meal (2hours before): tuna or chicken/pasta or rice with green veg 10mg epi / 25mg Halovol 1MT

Post: 2 scoops protein powder/glutamin/taurine.

1 hour after shake: chicken/salad

Evening meal: salmon/beef with veg  10mg epi / 25mg Halovol 1MT

Pre bed: Cottage cheese

I drink at least 2 litres of water per day, and im sleeping 9 hours! which i think is too much much this could be down to the lethargy from the PH's im taking? what do you think darren?

Also when i go for a number 2    How can i put this! it seems that im always irregular and doesnt feel healthy. Could this be down to the PH's?

Thanks
Dean

The Lethargy could be down to the fact that with EPI and Hdrol, they are primarily anabolic and some shutdown may be setting in aswell. As for the constipation? i'm not sure. Try eating some more veg as remember, you need to eat a minimum of 17g per day of fibre. Other than that, you could try Psylium husks or milled flaxseed.