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I think that could work Jeff.

A guy at my gym's just done a tren cycle and looks pretty f'in amazing - the sorta thing that could tempt ya to the dark side lol
Might be a nice change to a general bulk cycle but like you say it can be more prone to sides...

Your lifting some impressive number there mate. What would you say you have seen the most improvement on muscle wise?

Not sure if i missed it not. But what sort of increase on measurement have you had, now your finishing up the cycle? Have you worked out how much of the weight gain was fat and how much has been lean muscle increase?

yea I have to admit bman most.people iv seen who have ran tren it seems to alter there physique drastically! I'm tempted ;-) lol

@standing,I'd say the most noticeable improvement is in my triceps and shoulders and also legs mate. everything else has came up but these seem to be where the gains are standing out to me.
iv gained around 18lbs mate not sure how much fat but very little from what I'm feeling anyway mate.

Is that size/defination or just strength that you have seen the most gains on those parts. Thats really good if you have put very little fat on, it looks like a pretty nailed on diet that your've been running

oh sorry the gains are in both size and strength mate. triceps have got really strong. noticed more definition in my shoulders and my quads I can start to see some separation between the sweep,tear drop etc..
I'll try post a new pic up.

thats great then

I'm sure a lot of people would like to see any before and after pics that you have showing the difference in muscle def/shape/size

yeah before & after  pics would be good jeff...... give people motavation / drive to see what can be achieved in a few months !!

If it's all out mass you want for your next cycle Jeff, why not do 12 weeks of Testosterone at 600mg per week, along with 600mg per week of Deca, and a 6 week kickstart of Dbol or Anadrol. I would build up to Trenbolone myself as it is the strongest AAS. Also, i wouldn't add Anavar to a bulking cycle as it is more of a cutting steroid. For more of a lean bulk you could try a 12-16 week cycle of  4-500mg per week of testosterone, 600mg per week of EQ, and 8 weeks from the end 50mg per day of Anavar or 6 weeks from the end, winstrol.

I was thinking more of a cutting cycle with the above rather than bulk.

Do you not think 12 weeks of Deca @ 600mg would kill his joints? Especially Jeffs old knee's?

Sorry should have carried on a little on the deca - Obviously it would help while using it with his joints but I've been told bad stories that after you've used it (especailly high doses) it leaves your joints real dried out as it stops your own bodies production of joint lube?

You have a point there Bman, i forgot about Jeff's Knee. 400mg per week will still yield good results and at 200mg per week - will halt muscle catobolism on a cutting cycle. Decas a great compound to use on a bulk but can be used for cutting aswell.

Also, because Deca is a progestin, you will need to have something like  Cabergoline or Bromocriptine on standby in case of a rise in prolactin. Deca increases water retention which is easily remedied by Adex,Aromasin or Letro. Another thing with Deca is that because it is so highly suppressive of natural testosterone, it may be a good idea to run testosterone 2 weeks longer after the last shot of deca as it is very suppressive of natural testosterone. So for bulking, you can go up to 600mg and for lean bulking/recomp 400mg per week and for cutting 200mg per week.

easy lads just seen your posts..the plan for next cycle (for now lol) is
test e-600mg ew 1-14
deca-400mg ew 1-12
dbol-40mg ed 1-4/6
hcg-500/1000iu a week 3-15
adex-0.5mg eod 1-16 (adjust when necessary)
caber-0.25-0.5mg twice a week (if needed)

iv got a recent pic..it's at a shit angle but shows some shoulder mad tricep development. haven't really been taking many pics if I'm honest.
I'll have to sort before and afters. I can upload if you like?

jiffj wrote:

hcg-500/1000iu a week 3-15

Waste of money taking that for so many weeks. Also and im open to correction on this, is that it can shut down your natural test levels more if taken too much. A lot of guys dont bother with it as they feel it doesnt help at all much.

money is not an issue although your second point is obviously a concern. I thought running hcg throughout the cycle was general protocol along as doses are sensible?
what do you suggest. as deca is very harsh on shutdown I thought its.only smart to include the hcg?

Hmm, i thought that HCG is mainly used for PCT for the first 2 weeks at 500iu per day along with nolvadex and Aromasin. Although i've heard AAS users who do  a shot of 500-1000iu every 3rd or 4th week. As Buddah says, it can cause further shutdown if over-used. I think it's something to do with the leydig cells being de-sensitized. If i'm wrong on this then fair enough.

Just to add further, loading up on 1000iu of vitamin E the day you do a shot of HCG, greatly enhances the spike in LH.

see iv read hcg is bad when used in pct an if left to blast it rather that weekly shots. you should run it in the two weeks clearance between last jab and pct but stop hcg 4days before pct starts.

Anthony Roberts endorses using 500iu of  HCG for 2 weeks along with 20mg of  nolvadex for 4-6 weeks, and 20mg of Aromasin for 4 weeks and 1000iu of vitamin E for 2 weeks. He's pretty knowledgable and is convinced it is one of the quickest ways to recover natural testosterone. However, if you feel safer doing HCG according to your own instincts then go with what you feel is right Jeff. Definately add 1000iu of vitamin E on the day you do your shot as it helps enhance the effect.

I have some updated pics if anyone interested? I'll also have a brief update soon of my workouts/diet etc of the last few days.